>> benedict is known for his incisesive mind and tender heart. in some ways dolan has the same qualities. others are being looked at. maybe a half dozen. cardinal turkson of ghana would be the first in many centuries, african popes. 63. a conservative. then you go to cardinal wallet of quebec, of canada. he is a choice as well. 68 years old. speaks six different languages, was a missionary in colombia. that's important because the latin american angle of the catholic church going forward. cardinal scola of milan. 71, known for his outreach to the muslim world and then finally, cardinal, 69 of genoa. known for attack sylvio berlusconi in italy. others, of san paolo, a lot of others. but including cardinal dolan, which is exciting for american catholics. >> steve: sure. peter, the thing is, people really loved pope john paul ii. he really energized people and he was pope for decades. the next pope probably will sit fo well. the church had public relations problems. they need a guy, if not dolan, a charismatic guy like him. >> church. the church has